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People who feel loyalty is supposed to count for something and the rudy giulianis of the world who went out when the campaign was at its lowest and defended that videotape from the bus and everything else, are supposed to be rewarded, not necessarily somebody like mitt romney. >> that's true. maybe that's what that's all about, right? from not only mike huckabee but -- i'm sorry, mike huckabee but -- >> chris christie? one of the secrets of trump, too, he likes humiliating people who have already debased themselves to him. >> sorry. >> go ahead. >> i think president-elect trump likes people wh...

Kushner, who is donald trump's son-in-law, there's been a lot of controversy surrounding his possible role in what it's unclear in what role he would serve in because on one hand you hear that he's a very trusted adviser of mr. trump, on the other hand you hear he can't really serve in a real role within the administration because of nepotism. what are you hearing, rebecca? >> well, jared kushner could certainly still serve as an informal adviser to donald trump in the white house. he wouldn't necessarily need to have a salary. but he could still, if they decide this was something they want to...

Senate, and so confirmation is going to be easier than it otherwise would be. if they were a democrat-dominated senate, it would be extremely difficult, i think, for mitt romney to be selected. to go back to general flynn, one of the reasons he'll be selected or if he will be selected to be national security advisers because it doesn't require any confirmation by the senate. >> entirely trump's pick on that one. colonel jack jacobs, msnbc military analyst, thanks for the time. meanwhile, hillary clinton a week after losing the election, making her first public appearance last night, issuing ...

Drain the swamp. and this will be an interesting transition, anderson. because while drain the swamp is certainly a catchy campaign phrase, it's difficult to do that at the outset. you still need people who understand how government agencies work and how to run a government. and so i think we're seeing these sort of two philosophies hit heads right now, as they're trying to map out their transition team. what we do know is that mike pence was here with donald trump today. they were going over different cabinet positions, going over how to proceed. and mike pence will be in washington, d.c., to...

Cabinet positions, going over how to proceed. and mike pence will be in washington, d.c., tomorrow. he's actually going to be visiting their d.c. transition offices. so that could potentially give folks there a little bit more clarity on how to proceed. but in talking to people who have been working on this for months, they do say that this effort has essentially stalled amid all the shake-ups. >> so sara, can you just explain the purging of -- maybe "purging" is too soviet a term, but what happened to chris christie? why was he essentially demoted from running this transition team? and why wo...