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When church and cool collide." >> whenever a pastor or a celebrity pastor is the draw, it's a distraction from gentlemen sus and that should be the draw. >> your bible works midweek. >> i don't know that the big lights and sound and music and style of a church is going to transform a young person's life in the long run. >> reporter: some might say it's christianity light. is that fair? >> i don't know what they mean by that. they try to say everything from shallow teaching to emotional music, i don't buy any of it. >> even when your bank account says zero, we have jesus. we will be all right. ...

And the questions i have is, if we're getting them in under the guise of a cool experience or a cooler club type experience, is that going to sustain them? >> reporter: bret mccrake is the author of" himster christianity, when cool and church collide." >> the celebrity pastor becomes a draw it's a distraction from jesus. >> do you know your bible still works midweek? >> i don't know the acuoutremens and the life and style of a church is going to transform a young person's life in the long run. >> reporter: some might say this is christianity light, is that fair? >> i don't know what they mean,...

They say everything from shallow teaching to emotional music. >> when your bank account says zero we have jesus. we'll be all right. no fear. >> i heard the other critical bent if you have a lot of people coming you must be doing something wrong which is the weirdest concept in history. wherever jesus went there are throngs of people trying to get in. our goal is not to turn cultish thinking in new york city come to our church we'll change you. that's an arrogant promise. >> have people said that to you it's cultish. >> for sure. >> can you see where that might be coming from >> people are une...