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His numbers surged everywhere. he won the nomination easily. but you never would have guessed it looking at the polls in november. >> steve, wasn't it really the scream happened howard dean in. >> why is that the marker for everyone's memory? >> it was a memorable moment. everybody watched it live on television. he had just lost. it was a very bad loss for him but he had just lost. kerry beat him by 20 points in iowa. >> steve, thank you for going through the numbers for us. pete buttigieg may be inspired by some recent poll numbers but the south bend mayor is still struggling to address his...

I don't think so they appreciate the gravity. >> two omb officials resigned over this. clearly the gravity was at least addressed at the moment. the president, kimberly, has said that he wants some of his officials to testify. he would be fine with that. hard to take him seriously on that because if you really wanted them to then he would have told them to go do it or release people from this idea that there's absolute immunity and then sarah sands er sanders resurfaced and was talking to fox. here is how she described it. >> i don't think the president cares if any of his people have to go up...

With the president, lee an caldwell is on capitol hill for us and less lee parker is in the newsroom. >> kelly, i would like to start with you because moments ago the white house responded to that invitation that we're talking about to appear on the hill next week. this is from stephanie grisham. let me read it to you and get your reaction. she says, quote, the white house is currently reviewing chairman nadler's letter. but what is obvious to every american is that this comes at the end of an ill legitimate sham process. what can you tell us about these behind-the-scenes deliberations. >> rep...

Can no longer complain about being shut out of the process if they're choosing to give up their seat at the table but republicans are going to do this any way. they also feel like republican's defense is in strong hands with the judiciary members there, doug collins, using this to audition for a senate seat. jim jordan and john rat cliff. so republicans feel like they don't need -- there isn't much value to bring in trump's own lawyer, at least at this point. but as you notice, katy, anything can change with this white house. >> you always have to have that caveat. i understand that. >> they h...

Might abuse his authority to enrich himself. that's what abuse of power is all about. so they can even talk about it in terms of historical basis for it. there's a lot of strong pieces that they have at their disposal. and i think it does put pressure on some of the republicans because they've tried to move the goal post. will herd at the very end of the hearing said i don't have evidence here of bribery and said this as well on talking to the media, he means like as a crime. that's just not the benchmark. >> melanie, the president is welcome to his counsel there. any indication they'll take u...