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That is different. >> barbara and joyce, i'll try to get you in here in the last couple minutes that we have. i'm wondering how much does public opinion play in all of this in this legal sphere? and i bring that unbecause there a new "washington post" poll that shows the partisan dividei. 82% of democrats say he should be impeached and removed whereas republican, 82% say he shouldn't be impeach and removed from office. how much should public opinion play in the legal sphere and the impeachment sphere that we're talking about now? joyce. >> well, as mya correctly points out, this is a political...

Here is what happened during clinton and they got all these rights and therefore we have to keep doing that. two things. one, they didn't as you said, they did not have the process that is currently laid out by house democrats. what is really happening here is impeachment is a process where the constitution leaves the rules too the house arul rules to the house and senate. house on the investigation and determining whether to vote, and senate on the trial and whether or not to acquit or convict. and every single time even in the clinton inquiry folks said yeah, were making it up as they went a...

Think, of where this thing needs to go and how to get there sooner than donald trump, who is his own war room, his own counsel, et cetera. >> his own everything. >> but even more -- yes, you know, he is his everything. but more so than even those closer to it, like members of her own caucus. she's got her finger on a different pulse, and that pulse is measuring up the president and realizing exactly what his strength and weaknesses are relative to the facts and the information that she knows is there. and she has been very effective at putting together the case. her challenge will be when the ...

Facts, the house committees have had to step into that role. the prooemt proce prooech prooemt proce impeachment proceedings will come in the weeks ahead when they take a vote on articles of prooem impeachment. so this should help the country understand how fair democrats are being. i think that that is important for the country to pull together as this process goes forward. >> and that is a good point. barbara, what is your view on this? >> i think that although as mya says the house has no requirement to offer any of these due process rights, i think the house is also recognizing that this i...

>> and i asked you to talk about who lieutenant colonel vindmant me that there were people on television, whether television hosts or republicans, going out there and raising questions about the credibility of vindman. i recall someone even questioning his loyalty to the united states. how damning and damaging is that to this entire process that we're going through? >> well, i found to be absolutely outrageous. and we've had a history of this before in our country. where we used hiyphenated adjectives. and a lot of people talk about how he was born this ukraine. no, he was born in the soviet u...