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News? for what reason? so we have gotten under keller's skin. i would submit almost everybody over at the "new york times." how? how is this television operation gotten under their skin? >> that's a very important question. a very important question. i think i have got the answer. once upon a time the "new york times" pretty much controlled certainly as a media organization, pretty much controlled the national conversation. they certainly help shape events in this country of ours. now fox news also has a seat at the table and has a loud voice in the national conversation and fox news also help...

So we have gotten under keller's skin. i would submit almost everybody over at the "new york times." how? how is this television operation gotten under their skin? >> that's a very important question. a very important question. i think i have got the answer. once upon a time the "new york times" pretty much controlled certainly as a media organization, pretty much controlled the national conversation. they certainly help shape events in this country of ours. now fox news also has a seat at the table and has a loud voice in the national conversation and fox news also helped shape events and thi...

At the table, would help shape events makes them nuts. >> bill: i think it's further than that i think they know we have more influence than they have. >> well, i know you think that. and it's a close call and. >> bill: i don't think so, bernie. if you look at their circulation and balance sheet, they are going south. >> i have some numbers on that. let me give you some. >> bill: real quick. >> this is another thing. under bill keller's administration, circulation has dropped 21.5%. and profits have dropped 57%. >> bill: yeah. i think under roger ailes we're like up 400% in profits and obvious...