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Ability to maneuver. they're having difficulty maneuvering because ukrainians have knocked out and destroyed the bridges that could resupply the russians or allow them to escape. russians are at a sdisadvantage. they're starting to neutralize the artillery fire. an they're conducting a maneuver to get to the enemy. there's a lot of russians in the southern approach. this is not a strategic maneuver. they continue to be shaping operations. i hate to do that to your listeners but there's a little difference. >> that's why the call to you. we need to understand what is happening there on the grou...

What more have you learned? >> it looks like, john, we're seeing the first steps of it, the first ground steps of this counteroffensive in the last 24 hours. over the weekend, we were seeing, as we reported, the shaping exercises. it affects striking targets to prepare the battlefield for the ground offensive. throughout today, we saw ukrainian forces take four villages, this around the area of kherson. and now these attacks you just mentioned there. you start with the shaping operation, soften up the target in effect, and then you go and move those ground forces. it's the view of the u.s. off...

Major offensive. you look at it differently. as we just heard, the stress there is that this is going to be a bit of a long slog. people need to be patient. how would you characterize what we're seeing? >> i don't call it a counteroffensive, like so many others are doing. by precise definition, a counteroffensive is a large-scale strategic military operation, that has halted the enemy's ability to conduct an attack. ukraine has not done that yet. what has been reported by president zelenskyy and members of our defense department, is this is a shaping operation. i would use that definition to c...

Warfare is already happening. can you talk about that? and what a counteroffensive look like from the ukrainian side. >> so in u.s. terms, this would be the shaping operations. the next stage is a major combat operation. in the shaping operation, they're looking to degrade the command and control of the ukrainian armed forces, to frankly be as disruptive as possible with regards to emergency responders and crisis planning, telecommunications will be knocked out, either through cyberoperations or kinetic strikes. these are the things that we have done repeatedly in our invasions, you know, in i...

With reality, and nothing to do with the troops. and the biden administration knows this. unfortunately i think that you are giving them a free pass when you say that it is down to be the reality or incompetence or anything like that. they know exactly what they are doing. this is called a shaping operation. this is setting the stage to legitimize that the taliban as a recognized government internationally, which will elevate islamic terrorists with unprecedented power. this is the way that they avoided the attack and broken u.s. law, negotiated with terrorists, they are broken u.s. code of ju...