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Defense agreement. we've seen this before. there was actually some reporting, ironically it was rudy giuliani who let it slip, that during the mueller investigation, the president was involved in a joint defense agreement that let them talk with other potential subjects or targets of the investigation. and that's what a joint defense agreement is for. it's for people who believe that they're about to be indicted, probably in a conspiracy together, and it lets them share information without taking that information outside of the attorney/client privilege. the information is still protected whil...

Agreement that let them talk with other potential subjects or targets of the investigation. and that's what a joint defense agreement is for. it's for people who believe that they're about to be indicted, probably in a conspiracy together, and it lets them share information without taking that information outside of the attorney/client privilege. the information is still protected while they're sharing it. they can coordinate on a defense strategy. they can learn what people are telling prosecutors. this is what you do when you think that you're going to be indicted. and this is what rudy giul...

And that's what a joint defense agreement is for. it's for people who believe that they're about to be indicted, probably in a conspiracy together, and it lets them share information without taking that information outside of the attorney-client privilege. the information is still protected. while they're sharing it, they can coordinate on a defense strategy. they can learn what people are telling prosecutors. this is what you do when you think that you're going to be indicted, and this is what rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, is doing. >> joyce, you have said that delay is the democrats...

The whistle-blower's identity being outed? >> poppy, i do. and i have concern for anyone who is testifying in sharing facts against the president or the administration. the president's behavior is exactly why we have a whistle-blower protection statute. he is the most powerful person in the world. if someone is going to come and share information, they shouldn't fear retaliation from someone that powerful. and it's just sad. whatever you think about the investigation, whatever party you're from, we should respect people's ability to come and share information without fear of retribution from p...

Department has been very careful about not having current officials not do this. >> it might seem counter-intuitive, but our understanding is she was ready to be cooperative and she was ready to come in. and there is a fear that the white house -- and they've done this in previous house committee depositions, they told officials they cannot comply with document requests, can't comply with subpoenas. that gives her the leverage she needs if they tell her she cannot show up. this happened last week when marie yavonovitch came in. the same thing happened. she was ready to cooperate and the state ...