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Force to try to get? >> well, aording to defense sources who have sat in on intelligence assessment meetings, regarding plans for syria, even in light of the new massacre in which scores of civilians may have been killed by a combination, i'm told, of shelling and helicopter gun ships yesterday, there is no plan to get involved militarily because the general intelligence assessment is that most portions of the opposition, the syrian opposition are not aligned with u.s. or western interests. there is some talk of sharing intelligence out of homs with another country, even possibly the russians ...

Governments in the region supporting the resistance and with iran supporting syria backed up by russia. this has wider implications than simply a civil war which is horrific in itself. >>shepard: but, mr. secretary, this has been a proxy war among the states you mentioned including saudi arabia and the rest. >>guest: sure. u.a.e., turkeys, all the countries in the region are new supplying the resistance with weapons. >>shepard: at our direction? >>guest: not according to our direction. they feel very strongly about this that the syrian government has acted in a way that is not corn siftent wit...

There may be efforts right now that we don't even know about. >> bill: sure, sure. sabotage. >> bill: why won't russia and china help on this? >> i'm surprised because partly it is to maintain a sense of neutrality that they aren't totally in the american camp. >> bill: they know the danger to the world and commerce and everything else. >> it's dangerous to the russians because of all the muslims on their underbelly, many of whom have difficult living conditions and are fertile ground for. >> bill: terrorism? >> yes, terrorism. and it's dangerous for the chinese because of the muslims in their...

That we don't even know about. >> bill: sure, sure. sabotage. >> bill: why won't russia and china help on this? >> i'm surprised because partly it is to maintain a sense of neutrality that they aren't totally in the american camp. >> bill: they know the danger to the world and commerce and everything else. >> it's dangerous to the russians because of all the muslims on their underbelly, many of whom have difficult living conditions and are fertile ground for. >> bill: terrorism? >> yes, terrorism. and it's dangerous for the chinese because of the muslims in their northwest in the same kind of ...

>> there are some taliban left in pakistan and few al qaeda operatives and the raid you referenced for folk who is don't remember is where bin laden was killed. there is a question about what pakistan knew about that. so at this point fwe are sharing intelligence and if we apologize, which there have been condolences and now a claim that it was in self-defense, is that enough foritous move forward with the pakistanis? >> i think it's a good question. i look at it differently, jamie. i think that this requires presidential leadership. president obama needs to personally appeal to the leaders, t...