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How unprecedented a public statement. >> it's pretty shocking. i feel while the president is often tweeting crazy things, the first lady's office doesn't and hasn't. she pretty much as kept a backseat driver and has not been a public figure, so this is pretty shocking for sure. i also think, as you say, she worked for josh bolton, sharp elbows, and she clearly has sharp elbows and the first lady is pushing back. >> the reportinging on this is ric ricardel is over. >> is kelly going to make it? >> i feel like this morning if i

The west wing, to your previous point, has been always full of people, both genders, sharp elbows, hard noses, people don't suffer fools, people don't scare easily. but you've written that this departure of a bolton deputy may have more weight than a departure of, say, a chief of staff. walk us through that flowchart and the reasoning. >> well, i just think the point i made earlier is just we have known that kelly has been on his way out for a long time. you know, his frustration level with both the white house and with president trump has been well known. i thought that the news today about m...

Now she's been engaged in the conversation. the west wing, to your previous point, has been always full of people, both genders, sharp elbows, hard noses, people don't suffer fools, people don't scare easily. but you've written that this departure of a bolton deputy may have more weight than a dep departure of, say, a keechief o staff. walk us through that flowchart and the reasoning. >> well, i just think the point i made earlier is just we have known that kelly has been on his way out for a long time. you know, his frustration level with both the white house and with president trump has been...

People, both genders, sharp elbows, hard noses, people don't suffer fools, people don't scare easily. but you've written that this departure of a bolton deputy may have more weight than a departure of, say, a chief of staff. walk us through that flowchart and the reasoning. >> well, i just think the point i made earlier is just we have known that kelly has been on his way out for a long time. you know, his frustration level with both the white house and with president trump has been well known. i thought that the news today about mira ricardel and this clash she'd had with the first lady and t...

First time, i was struck by when i talked about john mccain and what a great american hero he was, i was struck by the sneers. yeah, you haven't dealt with him yet in committee. yeah, you haven't had him kill your bill. and i heard to a person john mccain had sharp elbows. he was tough. he was a maverick. he was an outsider. he was a guy that wasn't going to go along to get along. and yet when somebody needed help, when somebody's back was to the wall, they immediately knew to go to john mccain because this was a guy that you wanted to be in the fox hole with you, whether it was at war or in p...