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Comfort them, not even to give them a hug. the kind of emotional distress that that causes, and as professionals have told us, the lasting psychological damage that is being done to these kids is something that is just wrong. and that's why i think so many people are speaking up against it. >> it's acute for a parent, but you certainly don't have to have a kid to understand what sort of -- or to have empathy for those kids and to feel badly for them. one final question, because i can't get off of this, we were able to see the boys, we were able to pretty quickly get images of the boys. what po...