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And if we weren't here, they, the ukrainians, would already be at our borders. they would shell moscow, shell everything. >> russia continues to escalate the fighting in eastern ukraine with massive shelling operations in the donetsk region. here to discuss this further cnn military analyst, former supreme nato allied commander wesley clark. general, good to have you on this morning. >> thank you, jim. >> so russia continues to wage what's become a familiar campaign there and that is to punish the civilian population, take out critical services, electricity, et cetera, bomb residential areas h...

But ukraine said the soldiers fained surrender and fired at the ukrainians akccusing russia of its own war crime. no one disputes the horror. it's unclear if it's regular kremlin troops or part of the troops earlier this year. the soldier on the phone indicates he was recently conscripted, complaining unable to leave the war zone. >> nobody can go home until putin announces the order. there's no way to return. and if we weren't here, they, the ukrainians would be at our borders, they would shell moscow, shell everything. >> reporter: and that constant threat of ukrainian attack is having a ter...