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Finance charges. so that really raises questions -- >> the trump organization as well and maybe the president. >> and maybe american media. >> what we still don't have clarity on, because we don't know because we haven't done this since richard nixon, is how the president faces his liability. back in april donald trump was asked about the payment to stormy daniels that had been coordinated by michael cohen. >> do you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels? >> no. >> then why did michael cohen make that statement -- >> you'll have to ask michael cohen. michael is my attorney and you'...

Charges connected to russian collusion. however, he's somebody who was convicted of charges related to vast sums of money he received from a putin-allied leader of ukraine who talked during the campaign about trying to get right with some of his funders, deraposka among them, and participated in the trump tower meeting. finally michael flynn who is a cooperating witness who was the national security advisor in the white house pled guilty to a crime about lying about his contacts with russian diplomats. so russia is bathed all through this process. >> right. >> and it becomes the ability of the...

I was doing, i knew what the intent was, and i knew i should do it in this way. the question we've been biscuitsing discussing is does the president know this is a violation, this is a charge you can't do this? these guys seem to be operating almost like business as normal. they were very sloppy in terms of how this went down. in terms of the investigation, there's direct connections. usually in a criminal conspiracy they would try and cloak or shelf the money -- shell money in pieces to try and cover what the payments are for. this seems to be a very rapid case and as we saw with the special ...

Was hillary clinton. >> he was charged to keep outcomes in the election from occurring. that's what he was kacharged fr doing. what's different from the obstruction case, we talk about this alma tl the time. he said, he said, she said, she said. that is not the case here. there is documented in the deal, in the agreement today cohen said this, trump said this. no, cohen said this, trump said that, there is a tape and oh, by the way, here are the bank transfers, here are the financial transfers. here are the communications. that is a much stronger case than you're going to see -- >> this is eas...

Charges, on the count 6, as far as the charge tied to banking, all of that. he was in a position where he was, ali, he was doing this with intent. he said so. when you come across and say those things, you have the allocution that he did today and he so clearly laid out the things that he did, those are things that are going to be corroborated and i think the criminal information and what the investigation was able to find clearly spells that out. we are also talking about banking issues here and we're talking about crimes that involve a paper trail. i mean, when you have money that's transfer...