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For the lowered tax rates isn't saying specifically what programs they will cut. do they both need to put more beef on the agenda. >> i think they are wrong about what the president needs to do. >> chris: you think carville is wrong? >> they are starting to articulate this is about romn y romney. does romney have really any policies that differ from the bush policies. the policies that failed the country and this is the argument they want to make in terms of there was a reason people went to obama in the first place. a reason they wanted reform. >> chris: joe in 2010 that was the argument that...

For the lowered tax rates isn't saying specifically what programs they will cut. do they both need to put more beef on the agenda. >> i think they are wrong about what the president needs to do. >> chris: you think carville is wrong? >> they are starting to articulate this is about romn y romney. does romney have really any policies that differ from the bush policies. the policies that failed the country and this is the argument they want to make in terms of there was a reason people went to obama in the first place. a reason they wanted reform. >> chris: joe in 2010 that was the argument that...