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Micromanagement and how that needs toe change. explain a little bit more about that. >> well, i think first of all, frances, the discussion on the notion of war is probably an inappropriate conceptual framework to hang all this stuff on. this isn't going to be a battle of armies an navies. this is network warfare against a terrorist organization. its border control, its internal security, it's good intelligence, it's law enforcement and it's a struggle of shia versus sunni islam. so i think possibly this discussion is off on the wrong step. poor mr. hollande is trying to do something to rally ...

Turkey. but there's a lot we can do and should do. >> we should also point out of course that isis has been conducting horrific terrorist acts in syria and iraq for years. but striking a major tourism spot such as sharm el sheikh which you just alluded to bringing down the plane potentially and now perhaps this horrific suicide bombings two of them in an international city like beirut, this is putting innocent people in harm's way. innocent people from outside the war zone. i mean, this could really involve other countries in the fight theoretically. >> well, and you look at what isis probably...

Is we've been smart in keeping american ground troops out of this. this is not something where we want ground troops. we don't want military advisers in there. and we don't want forward air control parties in there on the ground that have to be backed up by combat battalions. this is something that these countries in the region are going to fight about for a long time, because it's really about a combination of three things. it's about regional dominance, iran versus saudi arabia. it's about turkey's pretensions in the region, turkey versus iran. and it's about shia versus sunni islam. and all...