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The hands of criminals or would-be criminals. you can have a city with robust gun control, but when you step outside the confines of that city, there are private dealers who don't have to succumb to those deals. >> it's a cocktail. we've seen a number of shootings in the past couple months, but they have different components. there's the mental illness. there's pathologies of poverty. there's gun laws. so, you know, and it's difficult. we want to say what is at the root cause of this? but it's much more complicated. >> i want to drill -- right, but i want to drill down to the history here, tho...