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Smart, but given to severe lapses in judgment. and that whole interview was one lapse in judgment after another in terms of the indiscreet things he said. he also tried to have it both ways in terms of whether that interview was on the record or off the record. first he said there was a misunderstanding. this is supposed to be off the record. and a day later he's bragging that it was on the record to divert the media's attention from all the controversy about charlottesville. that didn't work very well. so he's one of those people who will say anything, who will contradict himself from one day...

And explained to me that that's sort of a rallying cry for them. what do you make of -- what does a bannon skornd look like? is he an ally of president trump on the outside if he goes and joins broit bart again or is he an opponent? >> even if he was forced out of the white house, you know given trump's modus operandi and ban ons, they're going to keep stalking. and to the extent that bannon is the architect of this policy of really stockying up the far right and using the far right as kind of the shock troops of the trump base, to the extent that the president keeps doubling down on that, whi...

The russians, but by the iranians who work to shock troops on the ground, hezbollah and others. he's a guy you have to deal with. on the other hand, given what he has done to his own people, he's not someone that almost any feeling, thinking person can see as part of a long term future of syria. that is an unresolvable dilemma. as that war continues to play out on the ground, people are dying. the russian factor in this, i got to be honest, i would be really surprised if this was a russian chemical attack. this isn't something the russians have done in the course of their interventions in vari...

Not so moderate republicans in places where they could compete. you can't elect had a hard core alabama conservative in vermont but right now the party has become ideologically homogenous, all become a trump party. they ignored the autopsy report nor 2012 on how we could possibly reform and revive the party. if you look at the 2012 autopsy it's as if donald trump picked every single bullet point and said i'm going to do the exact most destructive racist opposite thing i can do, and he has mainstreamed a lot of these folks who were very much on the fringes and now turned them into part of the s...

>> joe, that's exactly what it was, a provocation. i find it hard to belief they both broke down and drifted into iran canadian water and the shock troops wasn't somehow involved in taunting this in advance all designed to humiliate the president just days before we're about to release billions and billions of dollars to iran. as you say, even if these hostages from our navy is released iran holds six american hostages and holds america hosta hostage. >> we had iranian gun votes in a hundred yards.