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General. he was present the day of the insurrection. this is a person who can lay out everything that occurred, everything that donald trump did. the advice he gave him and the advice refused. he's a critical witness. >> tim is the former director of the nixon presidential library. it's hard to overstate the shock value of today's testimony demanding to lead the mob to the capital himself during plates on flipping tablecloth. talk to me about the portrait that cassidy hutchinson laid out. >> she made this investigation the most significant by congress

General. he was present at the day of the insurrection. this is a person who like john could lay out everything that occurred, everything that donald trump did. the advice he gave him and the advice that was refused. he is a critical witness in this matter. >> thank you, gentlemen. appreciate it. i want to bring in presidential historian. the former director of the nixon presidential library. tim, i'm interested to hear your perspective on this. it's hard to overstate the shock value of the testimony today. demanding to lead the mob to the capitol himself. unconcerned about violence. throwin...

Don't think that is hyperbole but a reality where abortion is already banned because of those trigger laws and where you're going it see more states move in that direction with these -- conservative republicans. lawrence: even kevin said it is about nine states but not talking about full country if you want to get a abortion somewhere in the country i don't see republicans running california, new york any time soon. >> no. definite not. california, new york, illinois, you name those states. they're going stay blue if you need abortion you can get one at this point. look, this is a monumental d...

Don't think that is hyperbole but a reality where abortion is already banned because of those trigger laws and where you're going it see more states move in that direction with these -- conservative republicans. lawrence: even kevin said it is about nine states but not talking about full country if you want to get a abortion somewhere in the country i don't see republicans running california, new york any time soon. >> no. definite not. california, new york, illinois, you name those states. they're going stay blue if you need abortion you can get one at this point. look, this is a monumental d...

Regards to the dob's decision i don't think that is hyperbole but a reality where abortion is already banned because of those trigger laws and where you're going it see more states move in that direction with these -- conservative republicans. lawrence: even kevin said it is about nine states but not talking about full country if you want to get a abortion somewhere in the country i don't see republicans running california, new york any time soon. >> no. definite not. california, new york, illinois, you name those states. they're going stay blue if you need abortion you can get one at this poi...