president, your old boss, that it's a relic of jim crow. >> it is. >> it's been used to fight against civil rights legislation historically, why protect it? >> there's no reason to protect it other than you're going to throw the entire congress into chaos and nothing will get done. >> all right. >> nothing at all will get done. and there's a lot at stake. the most important one is the right to vote. >> give me your take. do you support a filibuster carve-out for voting rights? >> i think voting rights are important. it's what has really changed in the last 20, 25 years when democrats and republicans both worked to make voting easier. now it seems like one party wants to make it harder for certain sectors. as a democrat, i want to make it easier for everybody to vote. when it comes to the filibuster,