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Problems with joe biden's son and the ukraine. >> and in another new development, trump's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, asked the state department and later the white house to issue a visa to the united states for the controversial ukraine prosecutor that as vice president joe bide-helped to remove from office. jewell and his associates interviewed that prosecutor by telephone, and then his successor in new york city at jewell's offices, as a part of their investigation into ukraine. kendis. >> kelly o'donnell. jewell at the center of this investigation. thank you. because we also have new...

>> did you get any interesting revelations with him? >> i think he was very disingenuous if not lying. >> do you think the white house gave him his talking points? >> i won't go there. i don't know if that was the case, but if you read the statement -- if you read the statement you will see clearly that this guy was really either playing dumb or was lying through his teeth. i think certainly there's some gaps in his statement. that he he should have known if he's someone of that stature. within the state department, he should have known some of the things he claims he didn't know. >> you took ...

There's an exception to ferreira for legal representation which doesn't seem to apply here in the shokin case, it has to do with judicial proceedings and investigations. he's kind of pulling everything can he to use as an excuse for not testifying. ultimately it won't work. at some point a judge is going to say you have to turn over these documents, you have to testify. but of course that takes time as we know. but that's the strategy that has worked for this white house. which is just to throw the kitchen sink and stall until after the next election. i don't think it's going to work this time...

Company. putin, erdogan. these guys are a real thugs and for the president to call him a good man, it's a bit of a stretch. >> the president saying at a rally, they're like kids, let him fight it out a little bit. when you heard the president said that, reflecting to a conflict where you had some civilians that were killed, what do you think of that? >> referring to the killing of people as a schoolyard dust-up? is unacceptable. people are still being killed. there's bad blood there between the kurdish and the turkish army. i think unfortunately the fighting will continue, unless the kurdish a...