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There and say, hey, look, i tried, but these activist judges did it again, they held us up, that, i think, is enough for him. i mean, they -- you know, it's really hard to overcome that. that legal process will take some time because as we've seen so many times in this trump administration, trying to declare a national emergency to build the wall is something we have never seen before. so that will get tied up in legislation. and there are argument on both sides, and it really hasn't been tested were something like this, so it could get tired up for the entirety of his presidency, but that doe...

President's shoulder standing behind him, sitting behind him, as he delivers the state of the union address. also an interesting exchange with the president in that interview tonight about nancy pelosi, and i know this is a relationship you've been watching. >> yeah, and, you know, the president has expressed admiration and reverence of nancy pelosi privately and publicly. and i think he's always felt this, perhaps, imagined kinship with her and has been impressed by her political maneuverings and the strength she exhibits. but, you know, i think that pelosi actually did provide the president ...