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Then you start adding in the family who are running an industry and going all around the world. there are significant costs, but what should the cost be? remember we're protecting the president of the united states, so is there a budget for that? is there a budget that is acceptable that we shouldn't cross to protect the sanctity of the office of the presidency? i say no. >> douglas? >> i think i'd agree with that. whether you're a fan of the president or not, the safety of the first family is paramount and the number one thing we have to worry about. that said, they are stretched thin. they h...

The potential of who actually leaked it, that's not what's important. what's important is that what we've learned from the tax returns is we don't see the schedules which are the attachments, so we don't know where the money comes from. >> we didn't really get the return. >> he's now created this scenario where people are running to the shiny object about who leaked it. >> we know the two pages that came out were marked anonymous. it was odd for the president to tweet about it saying who is this reporter. the guy won the pulitzer prize for reporting on taxes from "the new york times." not exac...

Makes a lot of sense. i don't think it's right or smart. the campaign also agreed with it because i do believe that sexism is still a problem. it's not just in politics. it's in journalism and business and all kinds of human endeavors in our country. and we have to call it out wherever we find it even with our friends we have to say you know what? that's a line you shouldn't cross. >> is that done though. i think there were terrible sexist things said but. i have no doubt about it perhaps the one i put in the compartment all its own is that governor sarah palin, there was a media article that ...

Significant following, cult following some would a say. people who care a lot and deeply about the second amendment. you had a conversation with him about his recent rhetoric. how do you tell him to tone it down? >> well, erin, i'm delighted to be here, but it's a conversation we've been having for longer than you can imagine. and i think ted referred to that last night because my advice to him over the years has been, please tone it down. and there's a line that you shouldn't cross. and his latest comments about president obama and hillary clinton have crossed the line. and i was offended wit...

Roll stage rhetoric. >> jeff joins me now. thanks very much. and i'm glad you came out front because a lot of people struggle to understand your brother. he obviously has very significant noing, cult following some would a say. people who care a lot and deeply about the second amendment. you had a conversation with him about his recent rhetoric. how do you tell him to tone it down? >> well, erin, i'm delighted to be here, but it's a conversation we've been having for longer than you can imagine. and i think ted referred to that last night because my advice to him over the years has been, pleas...