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Made a criminal referral to the justice department. >> laura: it shouldn't matthew axelrod, i might've missed his testimony, shouldn't he be called to testify on capitol hill about this? if that's actually how it went down? >> sure. i don't doubt that there are a number of officials. i don't believe axelrod made that telephone call on his own. i don't doubt that he didn't discuss the matter with sally yates. i don't doubt that there are emails and other text communications surrounding the call because that me just say this. i worked 35 years and ran the corruption squad for a number of those y...

The things he did say, that democrats had concerns with, as you know very well, all the world's a stage. and when you're running for office in kansas you're taking on one role but if you wanted to better -- the better idea of how he would carry himself, you could look to his service at the cia and all reports i've heard at least from the rank and file there is that he did a good job there, he biltmore ral at that institution, it's a you have to place to work. shouldn't he be judged by what he did at the cia and whether he could transfer those skills to the state department? >> joe, i think the...

Praying at the inauguration. i think something changed inside of him. he loves to be prayed for. in fact, there's been pictures, a lot of things on youtube, where a minister and others would pray for him in kind of the pentecostal style. i've never even known a president to allow anyone to pray for him, but he seems to enjoy it. i've been told that he enjoys what we christians call the anointing. >> i know there was a lot of evangelical criticism of barack obama that he does not attend church on a regular basis. donald trump does not attend church on a regular basis. he was there today, it was...

Duel liistic approach. eric: shouldn't he be tougher verbally. he discussed the 27 nations that banded together to kick the russian diplomats out. let me play you a clip about ronald reagan. remember when he said this about the evil empire? >> they are the focus of evil in the modern world. so in your discussions, i urge you to beware of the temptation of declaring yourselves above it all, to ignore the facts of history and the depressive impulses of an evil empire. eric: look, being behind allegedly the assassination of turn coat spies in britain with a nerve agent, doesn't that require the h...

To those reporters or what was conveyed to those reporters. that's what's being reported. we don't know because we haven't seen the office of inspector general report, and we haven't seen the office of professional responsibility report. but that's what's being reported. if that's the case, then jeff sessions does have a decision to make as to whether to fire him or not. but whether or not it's going to actually impact his pension remains to be seen. >> kirsten, if the office of professional responsibility recommended he be fired, why shouldn't he be fired? >> i mean i don't know. i would want...