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It's not we -- we know but we shouldn't know. >> why was he there? why did he have to assume an informative role when all he sought was information of a nature that the trump side was entitled to know? >> so you're saying it's okay, that the president of the united states, without knowing anything, as giuliani has said, without any evidence at all, is coming out and saying that the fbi and the doj, the highest law enforcement in this country, are corrupt? >> well, i think the case is such, and so cloudy, that warrants an examination from top to bottom by an impartial source. and that would be ...

Mueller effort do you think we' seen above the water in the public domain thus far? >> i mean, again, i think it's -- we would be totally speculating if we tried to guess how much director mueller has information relative to a full scale investigation. you know, every time we come on, or every time a person gives an opinion about what we're seeing as far as the investigation, i can guarantee you director mueller has more that we do not know. and furthermore, we really shouldn't know. that's his job to keep the investigation discrete, professional, independent, and objective as much as he can. ...

You know, every time we come on, or every time a person gives an opinion about what we're seeing as far as the investigation, i can guarantee you director mueller has more that we do not know. and furthermore, we really shouldn't know. that's his job to keep the investigation discrete, professional, independent, and objective as much as he can. >> robert, of course, we learned what we already guess, and that is that just as we all carry around a preference for colors and cars and sports teams, politics are interwoven whenever humans get together, even at the federal bureau of investigation. as...

You know, every time we come on, or every time a person gives an opinion about what we're seeing as far as the investigation, i can guarantee you director mueller has more that we do not know. and furthermore, we really shouldn't know. that's his job to keep the investigation discreet, professional, independent, and objective as much as he can. >> robert, of course, we learned what we already guess, and that is that just as we all carry around a preference for colors and cars and sports teams, politics are interwoven whenever humans get together, even at the federal bureau of investigation. as...

Said "shithole" or "shithouse." >> it's a huge difference. if it turns out it's "shithouse" i'm not going. i'm only going -- of course is makes to difference. it's the attitude behind it. people debating what did he exactly say. of course some people in the meeting say he did say it, others say i think he said that but it was tough language. he didn't say exactly that. they're missing the point. it's the attitude behind it. which is to dismiss giant swaths of the globe that we live on as being either unimportant or not worth our time. or people that we shouldn't know. people that shouldn't com...