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Admission of matt kenny's guilt or innocence. it's saying whether or not this deserves to go to trial and i think that a reasonable person can look at this situation and see that there's enough that is still uncertain that this is something that should go to trial and this shouldn't lie in the hands of one man to decide somebody's guilty or innocence. due process should be afforded to us. i truly believe that a nonindictment is undermining our rights as citizens to have a trial by our peers. >> finally, do you believe in the end this was not handled -- this investigation was not handled by the...

Misrepresenting things to the public was a crime how many of our political leaders would not be in office at this particular time? the point they wanted this individual who had the ticket wanted their anonymity. as a result of that they went through proper protocols. fred knows and we can agree i think the fact when you have a ticket it is your right to collect. people all day, every day, have the right to assign or transfer whatever their rights are and as long as they give you permission and authority to do it, it is all good. jon: this check -- >> but you can't, can't give people, joey the ...

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Shouldn't lie to people, and you got people here who know they will get laid off at the end of the year during christmas time. he has every right to say that. it's his job to work with and protect those people. he can say donald trump lied. then trump attacked him. now this man is getting death threats on the phone, via e-mail, there have been reports of death threats at him. i think it's horrible, it's irresponsible for the president-elect but that is unfortunately who he is and how he's going to behave going forward. >> by the way, ron, mr. trump did not dispute mr. jones' numbers. mr. jones...