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You as somebody who worked in the white house and has -- understands, frankly, the game that there are off the record conversations that happen. what is your take on this? >> there are off the record conversations and when you are at a summer white house or bedminster or a long weekend and not with your family and the white house staff is there and you go out to dinner, it is all off the record and people do that. i think the executive assistant to the president, maybe she's a little too close to do that. communication the director or kellyanne conway or the chief of staff, having said that. s...

Dorian. all of this coming amid other turbulence in the west wing. after one of trump's most trusted aides madeline wester hout was forced out after she revealed, quote, intimate details about the white house during an off the record dinner with reporters. her abrupt departure while she was on a summer vacation stunned her colleagues who described her as a loyal aide with a lot of power. dana, those aides were surprised to learn the news that madelieie westerhout would be pushed out of her role. she was a gate keeper to the president who came to trust this aide after it was reported that she h...

Headline. but the fact that she fired her and denied her access to the white house that day. there are people that didn't work out while in the white house and you find them a job at an agency and they have a few months to look and they work in some lower profile place for a while. there are ways to ooe-- to easee out of the white house. >> there aren't many soft landings in the trump white house. >> and proximity is power and i can remember going in martha's vineyard going out to dinner with reporters and the person who was the president's aide saying, i'm not going to come because you have a...