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That is laid out by the founding fathers. and so i do think we ought to be incremental. are there very troubling charges out there in yes. do they need to be investigated? yes. but to jump to conclusions and say he needs to be impeached, what he's done is treasonous is to say we're not going through the very process that the founding fathers laid out. >> jake, you go through the process but again, mark, with all due respect, the president of the united states, and this is not the first time he's done it, is telling foreign governments to interfere in our election. and here is another thing. he...

>> begin the process. >> which is to say you could call it gobbledy -- so begin the process. >> is that em peachable, mark? is that impeachable in if a president tells a foreign government to interfere in our elections, uses the power of his office to benefit him politically, is that impeachable or not? >> absolutely. in other words, is it wrong? yes. but the question is -- >> but is it impeachable? >> -- is it impeachable, is a political call based on the context of the -- >> make your call now. do you think it is impeachable? i do. do you think that -- >> what you and i think is irrelevant t...

On purpose, donald trump is a traitor. now i know there is a lot of talk about treason. people on both sides, jake, have been irresponsible using that word "treason." i'm not accusing this president of treason. our founders were very specific as to what treason is. but when you look at traitor more broadly defined, this president betrayed our country again this week. and it is not the first time he did it. excuse me. i don't know that we should move forward incrementally. this president needs to be impeached just based on what he himself has said and republicans better get behind that. >> cong...