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>> which is to say you can call it gobbledygook, but process matters. that's why it's important they begin the process with an impeachment vote which is what's taken place on the three previous impeachment queries. >> is that impeachable if a president tells a foreign government to interfere in our election, uses the power of his office to benefit him politically, is that impeachable or not? >> absolutely. in other words, is it wrong? yes. but the question of -- is it impeachable is, again, a political call based on the construct of what political calls gave us. >> do you think it's impeachabl...

Laid out by our founding fathers. and so i do think we ought to be incremental. are there troubling charges out there? yes. do they need to be investigated? yes. but to jump to conclusions and say he needs to be impeached, what he's done is treasonous is to say we're not going to go through the process the founding fathers laid out. >> jake, you go through the process, but again, mark, with all due respect, the president of the united states, and this is not the first time he's done it, is telling foreign governments to interfere in our election. and here's another thing. he asked china this w...

Intelligence community inspector general and that has firsthand accounts that back up the first whistleblower. your answer sounded like you were saying the impeachment process should go forward but you didn't say you would be ready to convict right now. i understand you're a believer in the process. do you think it's irresponsible for senators to say right now that they would vote to convict in is that irresponsible? >> i think people will say different things. i personally as a former prosecutor like to look at the evidence. you might convict on a number of counts and not on another one. that...

Regardless of that legal position, you argue there's a process to follow. why shouldn't the process include opening a vote on a formal impeachment inquiry? >> i don't think that's necessary. we know by the house rules the speaker can do that herself. to me, again, these are a bunch of the nuances of this. but what really matters to me is that people come forward and testify. you already have those attacks which are high level diplomats trying to push for investigation while foreign aid security is on the line. i've been to ukraine. i was be there with senator mccain and senator graham. i saw h...

Speaking out and challenging president trump for the republican presidential nomination. former congressman mark sanford and former congressman joe walsh. congressman sanford, let me start with you. the president called for both ukraine and china to investigate biden and he did that publicly and diplomats pushing the ukrainians to announce a probe for a white house meeting and a u.s. diplomat expressed concerns that military aid was withheld awaiting the announcement for an investigation into the bidens you have said the impeachment inquiry is justified and would you vote to support such an in...