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They are a national disgrace. the president's tirade on the heels of comments made by his personal lawyer rudy giuliani, declaring, with a straight face, truth isn't truth. >> i'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so he gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me that he should testify because he is going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, that's silly. it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a conversation -- >> truth is truth. i don't mean to -- >> it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. the president of the united states says, i didn't -- >> truth ...

I want to talk about new details related to another piece of the special counsel investigation, dealing with two of trump's lawyers, white house attorney don mcgahn, and personal lawyer rudy giuliani. it is reported mcgahn has cooperated with mueller's team, providing some 30 hours of testimony. the report has been confirmed by president trump himself, who is going after the special counsel again this morning, calling mueller a disgrace, discredited, looking for trouble. his attacks on mueller by name escalating today and over the weekend. what about the chances the president himself will sit ...

Mueller, quote, disgraced and discredited on twitter. then this from his personal attorney, rudy giuliani, to chuck yesterday on "meet the press." >> look, i'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury. and when you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry, well, that's so silly because it's somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a conversation -- >> truth is truth. i don't mean to go -- >> no, it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. the president of the united states says ...

Trapped into perjury, when you tell me, that, you know, he should testify, because he will tell the truth and shouldn't worry, that is silly, it is somebody's version of the truth, not the truth. he didn't have a conversation -- >> truth is truth, i don't mean to go. >> no, truth isn't truth. >> rudy giuliani, the president's personal lawyer, back to john roberts at the white house. there has been an attempt at tidying of the moment. >> there has, a lot of people, shep, have likened that to kellyanne conway white house chief counselor said when she talked about alternative facts. rudy giuliani...