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Intense meetings at the white house at one point. holder famously said the nation is cowardly talking about race and the like. some top white house political officials thought they should put somebody at justice, kind of help holder with political issues, worried about his political instincts. holder reacted angrily. as a result there is no such person there but holder does stay in touch with the white house on political issues. gregg: the incident with axelrod, i know. gretchen, there have been either a couple of huge mistakes or misrepresentations. february 4th, holder tells congress, justic...

E-mails that show holder did know about the program and international program to send guns across the mexican border. he should have known. he did know. on may 3 this year he testified he just heard about the program a couple weeks ago. >> andrea: probably. lawyers speak. he probably did. so the special counsel can't accuse him of perjury. don't worry, i won't read the e-mails today on the show. >> bob: thank god. >> andrea: this looks very, very bad. grassley came out and said recently, too, i gave holder a letter, january 31. lock long before he testified that detailed the fast and furious i...