But when you look at boston itself, this has riveted -- and think about the carnage that he exacted by the act -- his act and the act of his brother. so, yes, it is a defendant strategy to say, he was under the spell of his brother, if not for his brother this wouldn't have happened because he doesn't have a mind of his own. will it work? i don't think it will. but the defense, you see they're not even cross-examining witnesses and they even stop -- that is, the defense -- they even attempted to stop this testimony saying, we don't need this testimony, save it for the penalty phase. the judge ...