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Known that, why do you what questions do you have about his lies? well, i think it is about hubris. i remember very, very clearly the day of the inaugural, the members of congress were sitting there in the stands behind the president. flynn was talking to the joint chief the members of the joint chiefs of staff in a very puffed up way. you could see that this man was very, very taken by himself as he was talking to the members of the joint chiefs of staff. we were sitting not more than is a feet behind him and i was thinking to myself, there s something here about him that is not good. he has too high opinion of himself. so when the fbi came along to question him and to ask him, i think he thought he ruled the world and didn t have to respond to anybody, and he certainly, certainly was not wise or careful. president trump also attacked michael cohen. as you know, his credibility. cohen says, look, this isn t my word against the president s. he said the special counsel has ....
When he knew going into it they have me on tape saying something completely different. sean, it sounds like mueller was really as he is trying to protect his investigation and protect the process, he was not maep with michael flynn s lawyers, with how they tried to blame it on him being caught off guard. absolutely he was not. you can see it in the detail he laid out. i will tell you michael flynn is lucky today because mueller s team could easily have taken a look at this and said, you know, we tried to help you out here, we said to the judge directly we don t think you should get any significant time, and i think one of the things that mueller that flynn should be very happy about is he should understand that judges don t like to have their intelligence insulted. when his lawyers went in there and said, well, you know, the fbi may have, you know, kind of pushed this guy into lying by not telling him it was a problem to lie to the fbi, the judge is going to look at him and say ....
This went down, and at least it indirectly rebukes what the president said. i think directly rebukes it. it is as much about rebuking him as rebuking michael flynn s lawyers for saying the fbi caught him off guard? i don t know it was their intent, but it was the output of it. almost they do almost point by point destroys the tweet. he didn t get a great deal because they were embarrassed. he got a great deal because he s been cooperating from day one. i think the filings show how the fbi actually went out of their way to say, let s do this quietly, let s try to resolve it discreetly and let s get this done, much to the chagrin of the justice department, didn t inform them, went about it, got him in there to interview him on that day, two fbi agents come back and say, you know what, he didn t even show any deception, he didn t show any physical manifestation of his lies, knowing full well he had lied because they had him on tape, but it meant he was a really good liar. i think th ....
Tell the truth, brianna. so clearly, i mean they had these transcripts. this was being monitored. what is stunning, evan, is that as the former dia director, as a former very good, by all accounts, intel officer, that flynn what not be aware of all of that even as in the interview it became pretty apparent. right, exactly. that s one of the things that the mueller filing makes clear, that they recite not only his experience but the fact he is a national security adviser in the white house. he served more than a dozen years, decorated soldier in the military, and he was he ran the defense intelligence agency before he was fired under the obama administration. so clearly this is not somebody that was, you know, someone mo just fell off the turnip truck. he was someone very experienced in this and should have he known you can t tell a lie to the fbi when they re talking to you. still the recommendation from ....
Are, you know, thinking differently about the president s involvement here? oh, there s no doubt about it. there s absolutely no doubt the republicans they re telling you that? in quiet conversations you can see that they re very worried, they re very concerned about what s going on here, and they know that ultimately all of us in congress are going to face a question about how do we proceed. do we follow the constitution, carry out our obligations to hold the administration accountable, and i think they will want to do that. earlier in the show, just a few moments ago you guy, i think, a prime example of a very sub sta substantial senator that woke up and said, oh, my god, did i say that? i didn t mean to say that. orrin hatch. exactly. he backed up so hard he probably hit the wall on the way back. thank you for being with us, congressman garamendi. why did michael flynn like when ....