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With benefits and a job no matter what happens but generally speaking, all incumbents have such an asset, such a hold over that even if people try to punt against them, look what happened in california with the recalled effort with gavin newsom. i'm. >> emily: that make the point that there is a lot that we inherited on a daily basis that we are supposed to swallow and we are talking about these numbers, 2 trillion. [$1.5 trillion bill. we don't talk about what is in it. and remember when we talk about -- it is like this big opaque amount of money that gets reduced to one sentence. and the ame...

Program in california. earmarking is really bad because it incentivizes members of congress to look for these massive spending bills in exchange for relatively small earmarks that could total a few million dollars or a few thousand dollars. >> we all remember the shrimp running on the treadmill. they sneak these things in too because they are not talking about shrimp but fruit flies, $9 million for the fruit fly quarantine program. >> that is right and they hope many of us won't notice. many members of the public don't. back in 1822, james monroe wrote to congress about congressional spending ...

>> i wouldn't spend money on a musical, but i would spend moneu to make sure our rivers arewe clean and our lakes are clean and make sure that climate is good. >> i agree. >> i would also say. jesse: so we agree, the musical goes, we must get ridpp of the musical. let me go through some of these. they also spent $7 million on grasshopper research. now, i know grasshoppers are a great insect, they also have shrimp running on treadmills to study those things too. do you think that's a good use of taxpayerhihi money? >> i'm not a scientist so i w can't answer that question, buti i would advise th...

Money on a music cal, but i would spend money on to make sure our rivers and lakes are clean and that climate is good. jesse: i agree. >> i can't talk about a music cal. jesse: so we agree. we agree, so the musical, let's get rid of the musical. let me go through some of these, they also sent $7 million on grasshopper research. now, you know, i know grasshoppers are a great insect, they also, you know, have shrimp running on treadmills to study those things, too. do you think that's a good use of taxpayer money? >> well, i'm not a scientist, so i can't answer that question, but i would advise ...

Money on a music cal, but i would spend money on to make sure our rivers and lakes are clean and that climate is good. jesse: i agree. >> i can't talk about a music cal. jesse: so we agree. we agree, so the musical, let's get rid of the musical. let me go through some of these, they also sent $7 million on grasshopper research. now, you know, i know grasshoppers are a great insect, they also, you know, have shrimp running on treadmills to study those things, too. do you think that's a good use of taxpayer money? >> well, i'm not a scientist, so i can't answer that question, but i would advise ...