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Vladimir putin that the president has done and said that raise your eyebrows. so i agree with you, but i think for different reasons. >> but i mean paul, you know, donald trump is no shrinking violet in terms of being critical of people, giving nicknames to people. vladimir putin doesn't have a nickname. there has not really been anything critical that he has said out loud about vladimir putin. >> right. and there's no longer a plausible, innocent explanation, right? he sure is acting like a guy who putin's got something on. this is -- he's on the phone with mr. putin, and whether or not he co...

People and said the nsa was not spying on us when they were. so his arrogance to me is appalling. he has no standing. he has no right to lecture this president or anyone for that matter regarding ethics and national security. >> i'm inclined to agree with you that we need to judge the president on his actions. but when it comes to the sanctions that you mentioned, the white house actively lobbied congress to not make them as strict as they ended up being. you know, there's a whole litany of things when it comes to vladimir putin that the president has done and said that raise your eyebrows. so...

Story several weeks ago before she resigned. in the middle of my reporting she resigned. and i guess what has surprised me is that she is so normal in the middle of this extraordinarily strange situation. and it almost -- it's kind of disorienting to observe that. because there's so much unusual stuff happening all the time and outrageous stuff happening and things that worry people for the state of the country in general. and yet there's this normal 29-year-old woman literally at the center of it all. >> 29-year-old, pretty young, do you think some naivete there? not that she was a shrinking ...

And i guess what has surprised me is that she is so normal in the middle of this extraordinarily strange situation. and it almost -- it's kind of disorienting to observe that. because there's so much unusual stuff happening all the time and outrageous stuff happening and things that worry people for the state of the country in general. and yet there's this normal 29-year-old woman literally at the center of it all. >> 29-year-old, pretty young, do you think some naivete there? not that she was a shrinking violet. or blind loyalty, loyal to who she works for? >> it's difficult to say. i think i...

What we're actually talking about is people who fit their district. that's something i think is important for us -- >> or moderate. >> more moderate people. right now the energy in both parties is on the wings. the right thing, the populist wing of the republican party has most of the energy. the left wing of our party has most of the energy. but that doesn't mean that in every district everywhere those candidates are going to be able to be successful. you're going to have that. when you say a kamala harris is hard left, i mean, that's part of what you're going to see also. i think you're goin...