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The shutdown on what he calls obstructionist democrats, we thought it might be useful to speak to a democrat. joining us now is the congressman from arizona. thanks for being with us. i know you said you are against any funding for the wall. you have urged fellow democrats not to negotiate. does that mean you would vote against anything $1 more than the $1.3 billion that is on the table for border security? >> look, the party is not an obstructionist party. we are the party that actually passed through consensus, house democrats and house -- and senate republicans a bill that got 100% of the v...

>> i think that's a question you have to ask flan nancy pelosi. she's unwilling to do anything until she gets her speakership. she's more willing to protect that than she is to protect our borders and protect american lives. we hope we will see that change. >> reporter: the key question is, will president trump accept less than $5 billion for his border wall? sarah sanders declined to answer that question. i think we are left where we have been all week, which is no answers on the specifics and no end to the shutdown. >> it's interesting you said the president is dining with jared kushner. kus...

Back now. mike, i want to start with you. you say this is a negotiation the president is in the middle of. in this negotiation, does he need to give the democrats something they want? what would that be? >> first of all, i want to go back to the chuck schumer thing that you showed on there. it's an important point. jeff flake saying the president owns the shutdown. going back to my example, i worked for newt gingrich. by all accounts, he lost the fight. but he won the war. bill clinton was forced to sign a balanced budget. republicans won the messaging war with the people and he had to come to...

Trump wants to lay the blame on everybody else. and today and yesterday, i guess, it's blame nancy. when the shutdown came about, because the president basically went back on an understanding that both the u.s. house and the senate had, when the senate voted to keep government running until february in a voice vote, no less. that vote went to the house and suddenly president trump watching fox news and listening to the very loud voices of fox news, got afraid, basically, and said, i'm not going to do this. and notice that he's not accepting responsibility for the government shutdown, which he ...

Own this shutdown and lately, as you have noticed, he's been shifting the blame to democrats. in your view, does president trump still own this shutdown? >> oh, any time that you stand and say, i own the shutdown, then you own it. politics -- you know, shutdown 101 tells you, shift the blame if you can. and when the president immediately said, i'll take the blame, then he's got it. so that's why the democrats have felt no need to really come to the negotiating table. so i think that the president, you know, he said he would own it, and he does. >> and if the president is threatening to close t...