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Dana bash was talking about the deal would fund the government until december and raise the debt ceiling is that one end of the bargaining table? >> republicans are going to ask in return for what? they're going to want to see a continuation of the sequester cut. they were looking for a concession that has anything to do with obama care. they'll look for a repeal of the medical device tax or reduction, something. and something to increase the debt ceiling for six to nine months. they insisted all along, and apart from the shutdown argument, that every time in a $17 trillion debt, you come back...

Win on the shutdown argument, what they want to do is wrap it around the grand bargain on the debt ceiling not with standing the irritation of the shutdown, debbie, do you think that may be the sensible way to resolve it? get it done in one go? >> i think we would be thrilled to get it all done at once. we have to make sure no question that we don't jeopardize the full faith and credit of the united states and pay the nation's bills. we have to make sure we do that not tieing extraneous settled matters like the affordable care act to pay the nation's bills. like i said many times, if we can ag...

Says he doesn't want to negotiate with us. now, we have never had a president not negotiate a debt ceiling deal. we know that our nation cannot continue to borrow $2 billion a day, we ask them, join us at the table, work with us, we need to work to a solution that is going to be fair for the american taxpayer and is going to be respectful -- >> i want to try and keep the speeches to a minimum. >> okay. >> let me go back to debbie. all right, let's get to the bigger picture here. the shutdown is very annoying and we'll see as i speak to people at the moment, very harrowing for many americans bu...

Harrowing for many americans but let's put that to one side for a moment because the much bigger problem looming is the debt ceiling issue. >> absolutely. >> if that was not to go the right way and there was no deal done would be catastrophes. the republicans know they can't win on the shutdown argument, what they want to do is wrap it around the grand bargain on the debt ceiling not with standing the irritation of the shutdown, debbie, do you think that may be the sensible way to resolve it? get it done in one go? >> i think we would be thrilled to get it all done at once. we have to make sur...

Republican document which calls for a total redo of the way the medicare system works. and perhaps an opportunity for the president once again to seem like the grown-up here. they kind of liked that during the shutdown argument. who seemed like the grown-up who can work with all groups and come out with a compromise, which is what the voters want in the end. want to get something done. there are lots of plans out there, but no progress. >> christine romans is watching it. dana bash pointed out something. yes, they've got to raise the debt ceiling otherwise u.s. creditworthiness could be questi...