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People who are watching the election returns to go to bed with the question in their head as to who would win. they wanted to take a while for the returns to come in. that was very studied, deliberate and cynical. the reason they wanted that doubt to exist was because trump and his allies and you that they would be able to exploit it. and now, of course, in that respect, we see the degree to which that exploitation was even more horrifying than you would have thought it might have been at the time. >> of course in the following weeks, trump just brought in folks who reiterated that. >> sorry t...

Tell because the cases are on different -- than what he's arguing is that he relied on his advice of counsel, who told him that or see opinions, or or see justice department told him that he did not have to go into deposition, if there was no third party agency council president because the committee denied him that privilege. i think the other case, it's a little bit different. meadows has cooperated to some degree, so it might be that the justice department is looking at bannon's case, and seeing how that gets resolved before they try a trickier process prosecution with meadows. with a two n...