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Testimonies in public, emily? >> conceivably. as jonathan alluded, to the house republicans and the senate republicans have tried very much to focus on process over substance. but we know now with the latest judicial hearing by the judge, that even the process argument is being undermined. a lot of criticism about how nancy pelosi didn't formally call for a launching of the impeachment inquiry. that was sort of undermined in this latest judicial ruling. so not much left for the republicans to cling on to, as they try to defend the president. >> so one thing is what jonathan, you wrote about, t...

Much. how it will go this way, he was free to say that because he didn't have responsibility at that time. i do think bringing schumer over and having this responsibility is how you do it. it is under fortunate that we do it in this pressure cooker situation. many people's politics on shutdown change depending on who is in charge. my view this is irresponsible. in the end, probably less catastrophic materially and politically handle the conventional wisdom says. it didn't end up being that much of a giant deal. i think the same is true here. >> can we point out that it was a week ago that he d...