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And their strategy led them to this point. they, they didn't have any strategy going forward. you know, repeal obama care is not an actual strategy. that's not going to happen. republican leadership never wanted to get to this point. so, this isn't their strategy either. that is kind of what is upsetting the political balance here. the people who now have the responsibility for getting out of this jam, didn't want to be in it in the first place. so, you know -- it's -- at this, at this point -- it's, really difficult to see exactly where this goes. because of that. >> ryan, if they did want to...

It is 12 years old today and counting. thanks to the shut down, the soldiers who are fighting are being rewarded by having to wary about their kids being kicked out of on base child care while they are fighting that war. support the troops looks awesome on a bumper sticker but as policy takes more commitment than that.

The shutdown would end today. call a vote. call a vote. put it on the floor. and let every individual member of congress make up their own minds. >> ever since the country entered shutdown mode, president obama has been pushing that message. take a vote. he has been calling on house speaker john boehner to bring up for a vote what everybody is calling a clean cr. that just means money to fund the government without strings attached to other policy things like getting rid of health reform or whatever. on the first day of the shut down. the president spoke in the rose garden and called for the h...

For specific families without child care. mark meadows the congressman that demanded the shutdown from john boehner says the shut down breaks his heart but he doesn't want to be blamed. go ahead and ask santa for that and see what you get under the treatment i'm not sure it work everywhere in the country. maybe it works for you at home. joining us the washington bureau chief for the huffington post. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> let me put the same question to you. is the strategy not mark meadows strategy, the strategy more broadly to try to escape blame for the shu...

Shutdown, the $200 million, the group spent, building and conservative organizations demanding a shutdown? would the civil war inside the republican party have petered out by now in a way less harmful to the country if koch brothers funding were not propping up all these conservative organizations that are rung the ads and demanding the ideological purity and telling republican members of congress they cannot bend, cannot woos out, they cannot compromise or else there will be hell to pay. who knows what mess the republican party would have gotten itself into by now if it were not for the well ...