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On board and vote for the clean cr. i mean, i don't know what to tell you. those are the folks right there that are against the clean cr. they are the ones against funding the government right now. >> how do you see the shutdown ending if the president is only reaching out to those who helped force the shutdown, who are, in his perspective, on his side? >> i like ryan costello a lot. i don't think i'm going to take a lecture on what constitutes production engagement on a guy who quit and didn't run again. we were there to support the president and to thank the president. it's no secret that im...

Be like maximally humiliating for him, where it looks like he lost the negotiation of the government shutdown. i don't see this shutdown ending with an immediate deal on daca. >> it's going to end, and there may need to be a -- >> right. so then democrats are going to have to figure out how to climb down in a way that saves face. maybe if democrats feel they have a credible deal to do daca in february, they can climb down now. >> a lot of questions. very few answers. the government is shut down while we talk about all this. thanks very much for being with us. we're going to be right back. aske...

And that's because the the president himself recognizes his reputation is on the line. >> what's going to motivate the president to get this done? >> for one thing, i think he wants to go to palm beach for this fund-raiser. we'll see whether he chooses to go anyway when the government is shut down. there was all that huddling on the senate floor. they were having real discussions there about the idea of doing a three-week continuing resolution instead of four and it broke down over a question of whether they would agree to tie the daca -- to tie a permanent daca fix not to the bill they would ...

>> last word to you josh. what's going to motivate the president to get this done? >> for one thing, i think he wants to go to palm beach for this fund-raiser. >> it's true. >> i'm interested to see whether he chooses to go anyway while the government is shut down. there was all that huddling on the senate floor. and apparently they were -- >> it looked like something was happening. >> they were having real discussions there about the idea of doing a three-week continuing resolution instead of four. it broke down over a question apparently of whether they would agree to tie the daca -- to tie ...

With obama care. >> steve, what will he do? >> he has to strike and come up with a deal to a rert the crieses for happening again. i think the president's position is more difficult. he has a popular boost from the way things transpired, he has two negotiating partners instead of one. is this policy acceptable to the tea party wing or established wing of the republican party. his position has become more difficult. >> you think so. i think you are the first person who talked that way. >> it is easier to negotiate with one instead of two. and those folks who are inclined to work with the presid...