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If he can take advantage of this moment and take advantage of this situation. this is not going to be a side issue. >> not any more. >> this is going to be at the epicenter. if he can articulate the argument that his experience back in baltimore and maryland better prepare him than anyone else it becomes relevant if not and it's all the other issues that have come along with policing, et cetera, it's going to be difficult. >> it's interesting to watch hillary clinton back track from a bill clinton policy on crime. >> yes. >> frankly martin o'malley back tracking the entire democratic party. i'...

This is not going to be a side issue. >> not any more. >> this is going to be at the epicenter. if he can articulate the argument that his experience back in baltimore and maryland better prepare him than anyone else, it becomes relevant if not and it's all the other issues that have come along with policing, et cetera, it's going to be difficult. >> it's interesting to watch hillary clinton back track from a bill clinton policy on crime. >> yes. >> frankly, martin o'malley back tracking the entire democratic party. the new democratic wing. i'm old enough to remember when he was a deal c democ...

Religious liberty is important while at the same time putting the value of equality front and center. these two values coexisted in american law and governance for a long time. hilary clinton was right out of the box on this. the day the law was passed she came out against it and it will shape up as an interesting and important issue in the 2016 champagne. >> they had an earlier battle over marriage equality and the courts prevented that and they're looking at a case for marriage equality. is there a desperation here for folks that won't to give something on the right but don't have a lot of p...

Unfairly. >> there has to be a reasonable compromise whereupon -- where religious people who have deeply held religious convictions. >> how do they prove that? >> that's a great question. i have a twist to what matt is saying. i don't disagree this is entirely out of the mainstream of merp samericans, but i feel it's because of lack of education. when you go to the extreme of a pastor or something religious of nature, there's a widespread lack of understanding as to how far these religious freedom bills go. >> that exception is in law today it's a mattered of settled law today in this country,...

Say no. if they want to go and work in a collaborative fashion, i think they'll find a partner in president obama. >> but just what does the scalise controversy reveal about how republicans, how they deal with fringe groups or how they're trying to move forward? you know they did this autopsy and now this comes out. >> right. >> what does this say about the republicans and how they deal with those elements? this man is in the leadership number three. >> yeah. anybody who thinks that there could be a david duke without the baggage has no business in government. david duke was nothing but baggag...