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I'm a liberal. i didn't even agree with everything that was in that plan. but the notion that this president hasn't put down budget proposals. he tried to reach a deal with john boehner and that deal fell through. he was willing to put a lot on the table. >> how many votes did that plan get? >> well, that is a side issue. >> it got zero votes. not a democrat in the senate voted for it. not a one. >> yes, because the vote was put up there as a political matter. the fact is it was a serious plan and serious budgets get voted on -- >> that's not a serious plan. >> let me come back to the effect o...

President hasn't put down budget proposals. he tried to reach a deal with john boehner and that deal fell through. he was willing to put a lot on the table. >> how many votes did that plan get? >> well, that is a side issue. >> it got zero votes. not a democrat in the senate voted for it. not a one. >> yes, because the vote was put up there as a political matter. the fact is it was a serious plan and serious budgets get voted on -- >> that's not a serious plan. >> let me come back to the effect of paul ryan. we know and we learned this week that the republican convention, which is coming up, i...

Boehner and that fell through. he tried to put a lot on the table. >> how many votes did that gelt. >> that's a side issue. >> he got 0 votes. not one. >> that's because the vote was put up as a political matter. the fact is, it was a serious plan and serious budgets -- >> that's an serious plan. sfrs. >> let me come back to the effect of paul ryan. we know and we learned this week that republican convention which is coming up will have high profile keynote speaker. that of course is new jersey governor chris christie. another prom fent speaker will be florida center marco rubio. i, think week...

Jon: you've heard critics of governor romney who say, look this election ought to be about nothing but jobs and the economy, and the work that president obama has performed in that regard, and medicare and entitlements become sort of a side issue. what do you think? >> well i think there are a lot of heavy weights on the conservative end of the republican party who really are anxious to have this debate, and real he want to have this policy debate. i think the other side of that coin is that some of the republican strategists who perhaps are a little more narrowly focused on winning elections ...

Spending so much. then you have to statement that sounds so left wing. martha: it's interesting when something touches a nerve, you o be. it remind me of the joe the plumber moment which was the off the cuff moment, the president said he believed you have to spread the wealth around a little bit. he got a lot of heat about that and there was a lot of discussion about that. do you think this is a pivot in the campaign. >> this is the real strength of the romney campaign is tactical counter punching and taking advantage of moments like this. they are very good at that. i expect there will be a c...