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catastrophic failure of the justice system. georgia delayed the execution for four hours while the u.s. supreme court considered the case. davis declared his innocence until l the end. he lifted his head from the gournny and told the victim's family they had the wrong man. >> and he said to the prison staff, the ones he said who were going to take my life, he said to them, may god have mercy on your souls and his last words were to them, may god bless your souls. then he put his head back down. the procedure began and about 50 minutes later, it was over. >> davis got the death penalt...

>> that strikes me as very important. in america it seems there is no real cost or social stigma to failure. >> i totally agree, yeah. i think the notion of failure is seen differently here in the u.s. than other countries, even countries in europe, for instance. and i was traveling in italy recently and we heard a lot about how do you guys start companies so easily in the u.s. and in japan, too, was the same thing? they all have smart guys working on interesting projects. but they just don't have the spark of going to start something because there is the stigma that if you fail everyone will ...

Start over again and if you fail, the steady job is waiting to pick you up and bring you back to where you could be. >> that strikes me as very important. in america it seems like there's no real cost and no social stigma to failure. do you find in a? >> i totally agree, yeah, and the notion of failure is seen differently here in the u.s. than many countries, even countries in europe, for instance. and, i mean, i was traveling in italy recently and heard a lot like how do you start companies so easily in u.s. and japan it was the same thing. they all have smart engineers and really great guys ...

Again. >> i feel like, you know, even in my career so far, i've been laid off, and i went almost a year without working and worked on some side projects. went to grad school and had another year i didn't do anything and then had another project that failed and, you know, it took us six months to get financing with foursquare and people have said you've had all these successes. we haven't had it yet. like we're still working towards it. >> what do you think the features or the factors that helped make foursquare possible? >> you know, there's a bunch of them. there's incubation labs. basically ...

Not only for what he's done for personal computing, also what he's done for animation. remember, he picked up a little animation shop from george lucas that really was doing side projects and turned that into pixar, which revolutionized animation, reinvigorated disney. he's now disney's largest individual shareholder. here's a guy who's shaken up not just personal computing and animation but also telecommunications and he's coming around to do it again with the ipad. so this is a singular individual. >> john fortt, live for us in cupertino, california, appreciate you calling in so early. new...