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Joe biden -- when he was running for the president the first time he said i'm not going to own a stock or a bond because i want to avoid any conflict of interest. well here you are. we talked about the yo ukraine,e haven't even talked about china which we brought up very early on. >> one of the main reasons brian, all of the democrats are trying to run as president trump's moral superior, we have to return this country back to the case, where we use the right language, we are doing things aboveboard. and i think what people on the trump side say, president trump is bringing out in the open wha...

Government shutdown. paul: right. >> the question is how is he going to get that back in the public eye. paul: i want to get there. i want to ask you, kim, a a lot of the restrictionists on the shutdown, a lot of people who have been pushing the president to do whatever it takes to get the funding for the border or wall are now blaming him for following their advice. i guess they wanted to see his approval rating fall even lower? is that fair criticism? >> no, and it's mystifying, paul. look, here's what we just learned from this shutdown, okay? for years now we've had a number of people on th...

Sister hood. hans nichols, anyone at the white house watching this? we don't have hans. jill, we'll go to you. anyone at the white house watching this? >> i imagine they are. there are a lot of people who are not at the white house today because the shutdown continues into the 13th day with a lot of people furloughed. there's one press wrangler about himself, but this is tuned on all the televisions. look, this is a brand new era for the trump administration. they now begin this new era of divided government in washington and it's going to be very difficult for this president. we've heard some...

So as not to overreach or to make sure that this doesn't somehow backfire on them? >> absolutely. we've heard representative adam schiff who will be chairing the intel committee on the house side say that they will be careful about what kinds of investigations and what kinds of subpoenas an information requests they are sending over to the white house and that's particularly interesting too just as president trump on boarding temporary chief of staff, that's going to be very important for chief of staff to segregate out those kinds of requests from running the white house and national agenda. ...

>> juan: the republican secretary of state says nothing criminal is going on but you get president trump involved? what is he doing? why? >> jedidiah: i would love to make this political but all i could see behind you is the image of the voting machines. i feel like i have gotten into a delorean and gone back in time. although technological advancements, don't you feel like it's antiquated? the machines are broken, busted. there has to be a better way. this is the most part and thing in the entire -- most important thing in the entire country. >> juan: the interesting counterargument that peop...