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That one is calling pull, pull, pull, and what does he mean pull up? well, he means pull down. that the pilot in command, and meanwhile this second in command, the younger guy who was flying is pulling back on the sidestick, and for some reason that we do not know, he is raising the the nose and the pitch of the aircraft which is ul patly called the stall. it is similar and the facts are different, but the circumstances are very similar to air france 447 where you have a technical fault which is by no means catastrophic which leads to a series of incidents where the pilots misfly the aircraft....

One can understand the larger aspects of this horror, would the flight data recorder give us that information that this man actually was on the wheel? he was at the yolk and took it into the mountain? >> in this particular case, the control stick, the side stick. yes, it should indicate that data, that he might have said, you know what, i'm going to fly an airplane for one last time. and he may have very well clicked off the auto pilot. and used the mode control as a reference. >> so distressing. no matter how this happening, it is terribly distressing. we're watching the live microphones in m...

The cockpit voice recorder will say why the pilots are doing something. so the flight data recorder will say what input the pilot made to the autopilot, for example, or whether he pushed forward on the side stick. the cockpit voice recorder usually will give some information of what the pilots were thinking and why perhaps they made their actions. >> mary i was asking you if you'd ever heard of even the s.i.m. card going back to the cell phone video that was found and has been put out there with this french magazine and german newspaper. to you, the notion of finding -- we know they found the ...

Allowed back in again when he starts banging on the door. and related to that the issue of what starts the descent. because you got -- >> also does the descent begin before the pilot leaves the cockpit. >> very unlikely. >> he's in a descent he wouldn't have taken that time. >> they would talk about why they are starting a descent. you're about to go the bathroom and see the other chance starting 3,000-foot descent you might comment. you would know about it. >> two options really are nefarious explanation, person who was at the controls, we don't know if it was the pilot or co-pilot. >> just t...

Trick. >> we're going to bring in jeffrey thomas, editor-in-chief and managing director at airl e airlineratings.com. regular viewers will recognize him. he joins us from perth, australia, to talk about this. we are exploring "the new york times" report. the only new information that's really emerged these past 12 hours or so. one of the pilots was locked out and frantically tried to get in. this possibly on the flight voice recorder. what do you make of this? >> look, it's a very troubling development if you like. i mean, there is one explanation that there was a medical situation with the pi...