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Confidence? seriously, for someone not qualified to be in government. >> one of jared's employees used it about him but he and ivanka are very similar. the reality distortion field. i think they live in a bubble, and, you know, ivanka herself wrote in one of her books perception is more important than reality. i think that explains exactly -- >> that is her father. he wants to appear strong. more than the reality of what's happening. another antidote is how ivanka defended her father when cohen was considering resigning. because of very fine people on both side thing. she said, my dad is not a...

Mollie: he specifically said i am not talking about the white nationalists and the neo-nazis. cap rrp you bring up the both side thing. consistentlier single time an issue comes up like this, whether it's what happened in pittsburgh in the synagogue or this circumstance halfway across the world, there is a desire to say because donald trump is not explicit enough, that is the hear it in tough out there, and because of that -- mollie: the guy who committed this, the notoriety he sought was to create these conversations. is it good to fall into that? howie: kellyanne conway said

Howie: afte about charlottesvil. mollie: he specifically said i am not talking about the white nationalists and the neo-nazis. cap rrp you bring up the both side thing. consistentlier single time an issue comes up like this, whether it's what happened in pittsburgh in the synagogue or this circumstance halfway across the world, there is a desire to say because donald trump is not explicit enough, that is the hear it in tough out there, and because of that -- mollie: the guy who committed this, the notoriety he sought was to create these conversations. is it good to fall into that?

Polling out. who do you blame when it comes to the government shutdown? our friends at "the washington post"/abc are out this morning, president trump and republicans 53%, congressional democrats, 29%. peggy noonan, those numbers aren't close. >> no, they're not. but i think what will end this thing, first of all, i think both sides are obviously dug in. i think this is a moment in which politics is totally triumphing over reason. i think neither party is looking to the country. i think they're both looking to their base. i think an obvious solution is a trade of border security for daca, for ...

When you heard the senate is has come to an agreement, it will not shut down, was there a sigh of relief? >> yes. >> but after that, the president said no. there was an agreement, where both sides did compromise. this is being painted as a both side thing. is this a both sides thing? >> it's one side only. the president has all the responsibility for this issue. he even said that publicly. >> do you remember seeing that? >> yes. and our members are thinking of two things. the president is responsible for the shutdown, but congress has to now be responsible for fixing the damage that has been d...