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Down coming that having no do do with the debt mess. that is right and we had bad durable goods number a sign manufacturing is weak, the second largest drop in three months in durable goods. that is not good. the manufacturing sector has been helping to led a very weak recovery. we also are seeing gold still trending higher, at around $1,600 an ounce and some say it could top $2,000 by the end of 2012 and by 2020, possibly $5,000 an ounce. also, the dollar is still very weak, as well, and it touched a low against the basket of other countricies and is dropping versus the yen with japan having its own problems and so the debate new on wall street is whether we get a negative revision for a quarter, what we saw in the years 2000 and 2001, ....