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He's going to be attacked by every other republican in the race. i think if there's a glass half full and half eltty, you have money, a record, and a real opportunity. half empty is donald trump is not of the only person going after him. we have seen this movie before. when everybody attacks the number two or number three or four and not trump. >> my biggest question is what do we look for to see if ron desantis has learned the lessons. they thought the session would help them. not so much. they can take that record and run on it and remind voters. but in terms of if you look at the numbers. y...

Picked presidents state by state. but that's pretty interesting. the ron desantis is equal ahead, but in terms of are republicans open. you see a drop striking mike pence, former governor, former member of the house, running behind these other people because of his complex there. trump, far away front runner, but it's ron desantis launch day. >> he has a ton of money and a legislative record. people are open to him. that means there's an opportunity. there's no question he is not as hot as he was six months ago. he's been attacked repeatedly and somebody with the the biggest platform in the re...

What that would mean for his conference. when you talk to white house officials, when they put out their proposal, which had a freeze of current levels, that was a concession. they didn't think that was going to be the end game, but they thought that would signal they are willing to put things on the table. what they got back signalled they weren't going to get any concessions at all. that's been the thing that's been most per plekting to them is your not giving us anything to work with. how are we supposed to move forward? as long as that remains the case, there are major problems here. >> so...

Meadows, the white house chief of staff. that was the gauy who made john boehner's life a living hell. such a different message when he was the chief of staff because donald trump was not afraid to spend a lot of money. like a lot of it. so i think you're right to be looking at and questioning whether or not his separation from donald trump on the fiscal matters might be an indicator about whether he's separating on legal matters. >> if meadows has an audience, whether it's five or 10 or 20 or 40, members saying here's where you should hold the line. the white house has to cut. they put a free...

An actual candidate, but also because at least until right this moment, it's been unclear how ron desantis is going to handle the trump factor. and that has been sort of back and forth. sometimes he's kind of ignored him. other times he's leaned into responding to or criticizing donald trump. that's all going to change presumably tonight when he actually makes a formal announcement. and i frame it that way because it matters in this kind of race that david just showed, where right now, it is a two-person race. it's very fluid. others have room to run and to run up in the polls, but right now, ...