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Strongly about. or were he and donald trump in sync, ideologically, and from a policy perspective as far as you've unearthed on trump and his team and russia? >> i mean, we remember from the campaign he was a top surrogate. he was a prominent top level adviser. he'd introduce him at campaign events. everyone that i've spoken with said they were sim pat co in that regard. one thing that's fascinating is looking at the court documents that flynn -- from the flynn plea deal, it makes it clear that he was not a rogue agent in all of this. he wasn't just acting alone. he spoke with, according to ou...

Giuliani and the message that he is out there promoting, or does the president believe that rudy is fumble iing in his job? and is there some frustration there. we don't know the answer to that yet but they have a really interesting relationship, rudy giuliani and the president. they're sim pat co in many ways. that may give giuliani a longer leash than some other allies of the president. >> we talked to joey jackson, former defense attorney, earlier this morning. and he said there's a real problem with this statement he made that the president denied the merger because the president has said ...