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Putin is proposing sending a delegation of russian lawmakers to lobby the u.s. congress to oppose a military strike on syria. the back and forth between the u.s. and russia has greatly increased tensions between two countries that had worked hard for years to become global partners after the dark ages of the cold war. joining me right to discuss this are simon marks, feature story news, and fiona hill with the brookings institution. simon, start with this question. it seems to me that neither side in the world ever fully understands the sensitivities of the other. what makes putin loyal to ass...

Thank you. and i'm glad to hear the world perspective on this. eugene robinson, simon marks. we'll be right back after this.

Poll shows three out of four americans believes the massive collection of phone call data by the nsa, national security agency, that snowden personally exposed intrudes on our privacy rights. you got it. 3/4 of don't like what they've been doing. while the white house and state department may consider snowden a criminal, even a traitor, he may have performed a public service for exposing these privacy concerns, sparking a national debate which goes on over the government's far-reaching security tactics. joining me now is pulitzer prize winning columnist eugene robinson and simon marks. gentlem...

Most people view him as a hero for having released this information. >> well, here are some numbers, by the way. 74% now say the government has been intruding in our lives basically. and we don't get many polls that are 74%-22%, gene. >> no, we don't. there's another interesting question in that poll. there is another question that asks is it more important to protect our privacy rights or to investigate possible terrorist threats? and more people said it was important, like, 57%, who investigate terrorist threats. >> but you can do this without holding this -- >> exactly. it's perfectly consi...

Officials from the president on down are saying of course we should have a national debate about security versus privacy and all this stuff. well, we couldn't have that debate unless he had leaked the stuff. they weren't ever going to tell us. >> so the ends justifies the means? that's a hard one. >> look. the fact that we now know that there are secret courts developing a secret body of law interpreting the 4th amendment and we can't even know about it, what opinions say? >> simon, you get this? i think this is the american debate. jump in here. it's probably true of every country. there is t...