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Some incredibly stupid things. he had the if i did it book, but before the if i did it book, caught stealing cable, you know, he was vepinvestigated by the d for drugs and the las vegas thing. whatever goodwill he had, when that verdict came out, and whatever people truly believed he's innocent, his stupidity since then has just turned america against him totally. and now he's obviously one of the most vilified and hated humans on the planet. >> and, of course -- go ahead, jeffrey. >> if i can add the crowning absurdity of the o.j. simpson case, i think, is that he was acquitted of the crime t...

Criminal trial, including the civil trial, where the photographs of him wearing the bruno magali shoes, the shoes where the footprints were found at the murder scene, the evidence is so overwhelming in this case that i think people with calm reflection of time have come to see the truth about it, that he's guilty. >> you look at, you know what was happening with the l.a. police department that played a big role in it, because there were many charges of racism in the l.a. police department. you had rodney king, which wasn't long before that. all sorts of things. and people thought this was the ...

Caught stealing cable, you know, he was investigated by the dea for drugs and the las vegas thing. whatever goodwill he had, when that verdict came out, and whatever people truly believed he's innocent, his stupidity since then has just turned america against him totally. and now he's obviously one of the most vilified and hated humans on the planet. >> and, of course -- go ahead, jeffrey. >> if i can add the crowning absurdity of the o.j. simpson case, i think, is that he was acquitted of the crime that he was guilty of, the murders of ron goldman and his ex-wife nicole brown, and he was conv...

Uncertainty. so it's hard to ask jurors to wait when they've already seen fundamentally a lot of the evidence in the case, they formed opinions about it, talked about it with friends and family. yet come to the courtroom and then they say, okay, you're now supposed to be fair and impartial as if you're a neutral juror. it makes it very difficult for anybody who has been charged and had the news blasted all over the television to walk into court and have a jury sit there and say, i'm neutral. i have no opinion about this case. >> you know, isn't it one thing to have, say, a trial played out ove...

>> well, that was 20 years ago this week. i want to bring in richard gabriel, a jury consultant, also author of the new book, acquittal. we have it right here, there it is on your screen as well. thank you for coming in, appreciate it. >> it's good to be here, poppy. >> richard, you worked on the o.j. simpson trial along with many other high-profile cases over the years including the case of phil spector, casey anthony, and i was reading your comments. it's interesting, you say the simpson case really had two juries, how so? >> well, when 100 million people -- and i remember this very vividly ...